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Those who ignore history are doomed to be mocked... - Words in the Heroes' Tongue
I have a variable-sword. I urge calm.
Those who ignore history are doomed to be mocked...
Oh, and Jeanty? For your information, THIS is what well-to-do people wore in 1680, not what appear to be brown three-piece suits and ties, from about 1950, with short haircuts and even bald heads.
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quinara From: quinara Date: April 10th, 2010 08:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
YES - 1680 that was not. (Heh, even the show's flashbacks attempted something that referenced the period...)
spikewriter From: spikewriter Date: April 10th, 2010 08:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
:: snerk :: I am soooo glad I haven't been reading the comics.
From: averageshmoe Date: April 10th, 2010 09:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think I mentioned that a friend and I had a bet going concerning the Buffy comic. He thought that Whedon would write a way out of the "Immortal" storyline within the first year while I thought he would do it within the first story arc. I never believed he would do it within the first five pages.

There are two problems with Joss Whedon's Buffy comics:

1.)Whedon appears to believe that he is elevating the art form.
2.)Whedon doesn't know how to write comics.

I could go into a long, detailed explanation about this stance and never convince some people so I will keep this simple. If these things were coming out as trade paperbacks once a year where a complete story could be told I might be more interested. As it is the monthly comic gives me time to spot the inconsistencies and be annoyed by the slow plotting.

As it is I ignore the comic for the simple reason that Whedon has stated that he will do so as well if the opportunity to do a live action production ever arises and the comics represent a continuality conundrum.

By the way, although "The Girl in Question" annoyed me deeply in many aspects, I liked the Buffy/Immortal idea. Just the idea of Buffy chucking her 'responsibilities' and having a good time made her more human and likable to me.

As for Jeantry's artwork and lack of research, I hate to say this but I've seen much worse.
From: daibhid_c Date: April 11th, 2010 03:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't read Buffy comics, but by a staggering coincidence, those were the two things wrong with his run on X-Men as well.

(Well that and 3) A giant bullet that travels between star systems in less time than it takes to tell about it, and which, once it's passed the Earth, cannot be overtaken by any of the many powered spaceships the Marvel Universe is full of...)
liz_marcs From: liz_marcs Date: April 10th, 2010 09:48 pm (UTC) (Link)

Don't you get it? It was time traveling Watchers who didn't know how to properly dress for the late 17th century. And...and...they weren't dead! They were resting! On account of being completed shagged out after having a long and sustained ride on the time streams!

For serious!

(I'll be honest, I did a double take at the date, because I could've sworn from the clothes that Giles was talking about Watchers in 1980. That image did not ping 1680 at all to me.)

I swear, once the Remix is over, I'm hosting a La-La-La I Can't Hear You (Yes We're Ignoring the Comics) Fic-A-Thon for BtVS and AtS fic, all pairings, all genres, all characters, all stories welcome.

Because this crap is so bad that it's crossed over into hilarious.

Not as hilarious as people trying to convince themselves in way too many LJ postings that this issue is somehow deep and meaningful and really showcases Joss-is-Awesome, but hilarious nonetheless.

(I should also add: In this issue Xander once more became the character Who Speaks for Me, joined by Faith who once more became the character Who Shows Why Internal Scooby Stupidity Pisses Me Off. It's the first time those characters have played those roles at the same time for me, though. This is a bad thing, by the way.)
desdemonaspace From: desdemonaspace Date: April 11th, 2010 03:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
You make me glad I'm not reading the comics. (After the first one or two, that is. I mean, huge Dawn? They lost me there. Although a competent Xander in an eyepatch was sort of appealing.)

This Jeanty sounds as though he should be shot.

From: averageshmoe Date: April 11th, 2010 09:30 pm (UTC) (Link)

What's the difference between a large pizza and a comic book artist?

A large pizza can feed a family of four.

That's a joke in the comic book industry that has a lot more truth in it than people really want to admit. During what's commonly called the Silver and Bronze Ages of Comics, the span between the mid Sixties to the mid Eighties, artist often worked on two or even three books a month. They could do this because they could be a lot looser on their pencils because the inkers of the time, a very talented group of individuals, were seen more as artistic collaborators rather than tracers. The final project often reflected their choices more than the artist and in many, not all, these were very successful.

The current fashion in comics is that the pencil artist has to render as complete artwork as possible, this means that their ability to produce pages, which is what they are paid on, has fallen. I've seen Jeantry's uninked pencils. They're tight. He's not doing much else besides Buffy.

I don't want this to seem like a defense of Jeantry, but the situation is complicated. In the past the comic book adaptation of movies or tv shows were the bastard children of the entertainment industry. The actors connected with the projects didn't benefit from them so the books were beneath their radar. The books themselves were produced very cheaply, sometimes hiring European artists who had never seen the shows.

As comics became more mainstream the situation changed. Actors, or more probably, their agents, became more aware of the adaptations. Their demands that the artwork be more exact caused artist who were more visually exciting and dynamic, not to mention being better storytellers were replaced by guys who were tracing photos with light tables.

Point, a major movie adaptation of a well known tv franchise was planned. The decision was made to employ an artist who was primarily known for his painted covers of novelizations and original stories to do the adaptation despite his lack of any experience in the field. The book fell so far behind schedule that it was taken away from him, ghosted by several artists, and his only real participation was the fact that he inked the faces of the main characters.

He was later hired to do another adaptation on the strength of the previous one. This one fell so far behind schedule that the movie was released and flopped before any issues of the comic could be released. The series was canceled.

Like I said, this is not intended to be a defense of Jeantry, I have seen him do better work and worst. But the simple fact is that better artists don't want to do adaptations. Most of the time the money is no better, the work more demanding and the rewards fewer. An established professional recently did several projects for IDW, some were Whedon orientated, some Star Trek. In my own opinion, and it's just my opinion, he did a rather good job. I had some problems with the stories and I thought some aspects were rushed, but I could tell who the characters were and the art had a nice dynamic flow.

Fans of both shows tore him apart on the internet. Since I don't have the sales figures from these projects I can't tell you if they were commercially successful or not. What I can state is that it would take a tougher man than myself to read some of the criticisms leveled against him and return to the drawing table.
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